More school: Obama would curtail summer vacation
Obama Addresses The Nation's School Children From High School In Arlington
By LIBBY QUAID
WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.
Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.
"Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."
The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.
"Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.
Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.
But she doesn't want a longer school day. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.
Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.
"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."
Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.
Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?
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Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school.
"Young people in other countries are going to school 25, 30 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."
While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.
Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests — Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).
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Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.
Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year.
"Ten minutes sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a pretty healthy increase."
In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.
Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.
In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours or days, is for three things: core academics — kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.
Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.
Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.
Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.
Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.
That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.
Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams.
"If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.
Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $1,300 per student, or 12 percent to 15 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $17.5 million from the state Legislature last year.
The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $1.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.
Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs.
"Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table."
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I have to say, I think more time in school is a wonderful idea.
1I'm against it, until schools make better use of the time.
2Adding time to my kid's school day would keep her there until 4:30, 5 - and I think that's too much.
My elementary school was a (year round schedule) and I loved it, so if he's referring to that system I'm for it. As for the extra hours (K-6) that would work great for parents who have to worry about child care and what their child is doing at home alone while they're stuck in commuter traffic. As for jr.High/H.S. I think the extra time should be devoted to mandatory study hall where student do their homework assignments together. One of the major reasons for students failing is simply because they don't do their homework assignments. It's not that their dumb or don't understand they're just not motivated when they're home alone surrounded by stimulation that draws them away from that task.
3Well i think year round schooling is a great idea. When I went to school, we would forget most of what we learned the previous year over the summer and then spend the first two months of school reviewing.
And I agree, Steph, that if they are going to keep kids late, that they have to utilize the time well. I think it would be a good time for extra curricular things like art, music and gym so kids can end the day with fun. I also like Hypno's idea of mandatory study hall or library time.
I also think that longer school days would really help parent with day care and work issues. 15 years ago, my friends and I would get into the most trouble between the hours of 2 and 6. From the time we got off the bus to the time our parents got home, we had the house to ourselves. I don't mind telling you that those hours were filled with all sorts of mischief. We would use that time to fool around (literally some times) and then be up until 1 am doing homework or studying. Mandatory study hall would have cut down on fun but would have made us more productive.
4I was what they termed latch key kid. I didn't see my parents in the morning except for a drowsy recognition of my mom kissing me on the forehead at 5:30am before she left for work and she didn't get home until about 6:00pm. My father was only home Sunday and Monday because he was a long haul truck driver.
Child hood was just not a fun productive time for me and I would have loved to have more time at school.
5I agree Steph, if schools use the time productively, then I am for it.
Does anyone know how this year-round schedule works? Do you just have more week-long breaks throughout the year then?
6My brother taught at a year round school here in LA and I think there were three 4-5 week vacation periods throughout the year. He wasn't crazy about it, but one reason was because only a couple of schools were on that schedule.
7Thanks, Steph....that doesn't sound so bad. I was thinking maybe they wouldn't get any breaks, but it just sounds like the longer summer break is more spread out.
8I think that would be the way to go martini. Just break up the huge vacation. It was the amount of time away that was a problem for me. I would always start the summer vacation strong and excited about not being in school but after the first week of August, I was totally ready to go back to school.
9Yeah, I thought a typical year round schedule had a few 2-3 week breaks (like, two weeks for Christmas, two weeks for spring break, etc) and one longer summer break of four weeks or so, so long enough to do summer camp and family vaca but not the full 2-3 months where you forget what you learned.
I'd be much more down with a longer school year than a longer school day. I know when I was in high school at one point I was juggling my classes, being in my school musical, a part time job, and a volunteer gig on the weekend. So unless they made typically after-school-things into during-school-things (like making being on a sports team or having a part time job a "class") there just wouldn't be enough hours in the day.
10My mom was one of three teachers that implemented full day Kindergarten classrooms, a first in their district. It's amazing how much more stuff they're able to do! They get more play time, which means more interactions and better socialization, and they get more time to focus on learning, since everything isn't crammed into a half day. It's also less of a shock when the kids get to 1st grade and have to be there all day anyway.
She does love having those summertime months off though, it's a nice long break from the little monsters.
11I just wonder with concerns about after school down time and boring vacations, if we're not putting more pressure on schools to raise our kids.
12I don't necessarily think longer days would help. Kids get burnt out, so how much of what they would be learning in those extra hours actually sink in. I would support a longer school year though. Maybe just 4-5 weeks off in the summer instead of 10.
Half day kindergarten is a waste of time. In our school district it is 9 am to 11:45 am. That includes settling in, snack time, outside time, bathroom, and packing up to go. There is no time for learning.
13I've had both. Personally I think we could use more school in the US, however adding more hours to your schedule isn't going to solve the problem. The problem with the state of education in the US, is the lack of parental involvement, improperly trained faculty and staff to dealing with children, and some teachers who's only their for the paycheck and schedule. Just about anyone can be a teacher in the US as long as they hold a bachelor and pass apply for the temporary and professional and that's something that doesn't settle well with me. As these people have a harder time dealing with children with behavioral problems, planning a diversified lesson plan to meet all of their students needs depending on their learning level, over crowded classrooms, and lack of suitable resources. The fact that almost all states when doing budget cuts, take away from their DOE funds first, is another problem that needs to be addressed. Also our society needs to change as well. In Asia, having a suitable education and being the top in your class is a pressure that drives a lot of students to suicide (which I don't agree with) while here in the US, children aren't necessarily taught about how important education is and are encouraged to purpose other interests. Math and sciences are not held in high extremes as reading and language arts are. Which is why we do horribly in comparison to other 1st, 2nd and even some 3rd world nations.
I'm sorry but what's the point of having longer school days, if the same problems are going to exist?
14It seems to me there's a lot about our lifestyles that get in the way of quality family/personal lives -
15More free time for working adults could help - and not the kind that comes with unemployment or cutbacks.
Parents could be given time off for volunteering at schools and parks, nonparents could get the same time for volunteering anyplace else.
I'm against longer school days. I remember losing concentration by the end of the day in high school, so those 3 hours or whatever would do nothing for me. Also that would keep kids after dark in the winter, which isn't ideal for younger kids. If I were a parent of say a first grader, I'd be too concerned about my kids safety to let them walk home alone, but I'd be annoyed about having to go out to pick them up at such an inconvenient time.
16Yeah when I did year round we did a full week for T.G., 3wks Winter break, 2wks Spring break and a month in the Summer plus all the little breaks like Presidents Day, MLK, Memorial etc.
17Summer vacation was established to allow children to help in the fields during the harvest. That is no longer true. I wouldn't agree with longer days, but year round, with breaks, would be fine.
18Some schools need to learn how to properly educate their children before they allow the students to spend more time there. Then it would not be a pointless idea. Too many schools need to be investigated more and held at higher standards.
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